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How do you notarize if a signer can’t be present?

There are times when a signer urgently needs a notarization, but cannot appear in person before the Notary due to unusual circumstances such as a medical or family emergency.

If this happens, some states permit the signer to sign the document in the presence of a witness. The witness — not the signer — then appears before the Notary.

The Notary identifies and administers an oath to the witness. Then, the witness signs the document. Based upon the witness’s oath, the Notary performs the notarization. This is called a “proof of execution by subscribing witness.”

But there are restrictions and specific requirements for this act. Here’s what you need to know.

Restrictions on proofs

The most important thing to remember is that proofs of execution are one of the only times a document signer does not appear before a Notary to have their signature notarized. While you must be careful when performing any notarization, this is even more important when you perform a proof.

Not all states allow Notaries to perform proofs; sometimes Notaries aren't even aware that they are permitted to do so. This is often because the rules for proofs of execution are sometimes included in real estate statutes or some other obscure part of state laws rather than in state Notary statutes.

Because the signer is not present, states often have strict criteria for using proofs of execution by subscribing witnesses. Here are some examples:

  • California requires a subscribing witness to be identified by another credible identifying witness who is personally known to the Notary. The credible witness must present an ID card allowed by law to the Notary.
  • In North Carolina, a subscribing witness cannot be a grantee or beneficiary of the document that is being notarized.
  • In Pennsylvania, the subscribing witness must be an attorney licensed in Pennsylvania.
  • In Tennessee, two subscribing witnesses are required.
  • In Texas, the subscribing witness must either be personally known by the Notary or be identified by a credible witness.

Georgia and Washington, however, do not authorize proofs of execution by subscribing witnesses. 

While there is no mention of proofs in Florida Notary law, the state’s real estate law technically permits proofs. But there is no information in the law, rules or Notary handbook about how to perform a proof.

Always check your own state’s rules first before accepting a request to perform a proof of execution.

Real estate documents and proofs

Due to risk of fraud, California prohibits its Notaries from performing a proof of execution on powers of attorney, on documents requiring a thumbprint in the Notary’s journal or on any instrument affecting real property. Certain real property documents — decrees of foreclosure, non-judicial foreclosures under California Civil Code 2924 or deeds of reconveyance — are exempt.

Conversely, Oregon law permits proofs of execution to be used only for certain real estate transactions, but state officials recommend that Oregon Notaries consult with the Real Estate Division if this issue arises.

Proofs in the workplace

Some employers ask Notary employees to perform proofs of execution as an easy alternative to appearing in person as a convenience for themselves or clients. While it can be argued that there is no reason the boss or the client couldn’t go to a Notary themselves, state laws governing proofs allow this practice.

If you are asked to perform a proof of execution by your boss, be sure to confirm that your state permits the act. If you are allowed to perform a proof of execution and the subscribing witness meets all the requirements, you can proceed. Also, you might gently make the case to your boss why it’s a good idea for signers to be present and suggest that failing to require the signer to personally appear is one of the most common causes of Notary-related lawsuits.

A final note

Because the requirements for proofs can be highly technical, you should only perform them if you are familiar with them and understand what is required. If you are not familiar with proofs, it is okay to refuse a request to perform one.

David Thun is the Editorial Manager at the National Notary Association.

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Natalie

10 Nov 2024

Good information for me

Shalayah S.

30 Oct 2024

So when doing a proof of executive they need to sign and proof of execution form? Where To get the forms from? I'm in the state of Ohio

National Notary Association

04 Nov 2024

Hello. Ohio does not authorize proofs of execution by subscribing witnesses.

Dixie

28 Oct 2024

Seal materials?

Elena

13 Sep 2024

I recently received my notary license to be able to notarize company documents. I was asked to notarize a legal document (lawsuit) of an already signed document. I advised that I wouldn't be able to do it and stated that the signer had to be present. I was told that the reason I was paid to become a notary was to notarize documents because "we all won't be in the office at the same time" and that was the reason why, so I could notarize already signed documents. I didn't feel comfortable doing that based on the law here in Georgia so I declined the responsibility. This would have been my first notarization so I wasn't sure if I handled it correctly.

National Notary Association

16 Sep 2024

Hello. You may not notarize a signature if the signer is not present before you for the notarization.

kristin@fiveboroughelectric.com

17 Jun 2024

Hi, in the state of New York can proof of execution by subscribing witness be used for regular acknowledgements or only documents related to real property/deeds? Also, is the original document notarized along with the attached proof?

National Notary Association

29 Jul 2024

Hello. In New York, A proof is defined as “[t]he formal declaration made by a subscribing witness to the execution of an instrument setting forth his place of residence, that he knew the person described in and who executed the instrument and that he saw such person execute such instrument” (NPLL). “When the execution of any instrument or writing is authorized or required by law … to be proven so as to entitle it to be filed or recorded in a public office, … the proof made before any officer then and there authorized to take the acknowledgment or proof of the execution of a deed of real property to entitle it to be recorded in a county clerk’s office, and shall be made and certified in the same manner as such acknowledgment or proof of such deed” (General Construction Law 11).

Bill Moore

03 Jun 2024

I live in Maryland. I have a document that I have to sign along with my father who currently has alzheimers and it not able to get out much less in a position to sign something. It is a mortgage document. QUESTION: can i go and sign with a notary myself and then send it back without his signature and explain the situation?

National Notary Association

06 Jun 2024

Hello. You would need to contact your mortgage company or loan answer to request instructions how to handle this situation.

Darlene

18 Jan 2024

In the state of Michigan, do both parties need to be present in front of a notary to sign a mortgage lein between family members

National Notary Association

19 Jan 2024

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Amanda

26 Oct 2023

Does New York State CPLR3041 Ins law verified bill of particular need to be notarized when mailing the Court back I’m asking because my fiancé is in prison and he has put in for a notary for two weeks now and he has 30 days to return these documents to the court And they have not seen him yet, so what is an alternative method? This is for New York State Court Of Claims please help me.

National Notary Association

27 Oct 2023

Hello. We're sorry, but you would need to contact the court or an attorney to find out if the document in question requires notarization.

Reine Sotelo

06 Oct 2023

can a TX notary notarize a waiver if both parties signed beforehand? 2. can a Tx Notary verify the signature by ID of the person that was not present to sign ? 3. what if notary is know to both parties do they have to be present to get the form notarized?

National Notary Association

06 Oct 2023

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Jennifer

26 Sep 2023

Client is selling his US home and is in escrow. The ex-wife is on title and in Mexico. She has no objections to selling and will sign the escrow documents, but cannot come to the US. Can a subscribing witness see her signs the documents via FaceTime (or any other real time video)?

National Notary Association

28 Sep 2023

Hello. To help us answer your question, what state is the Notary performing the notarization commissioned in?

Jessica magana

23 Jun 2023

Someone is requesting for a trust to be notarized, but the trustee and grantor is on hospice. Can I use a credible witness if I personally know her to notarize a document?

National Notary Association

26 Jun 2023

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Jenn Taylor

19 Jun 2023

This was very helpful thank you! I had a relative of my friend ask me to notarize something for her. Her and her 2 roommates got their deposit back on a house they rented in Georgia, however they cannot deposit the check because 1 of the roommates moved to California and broke their lease agreement. Her bank will cash the check but only after the form is signed and notarized. I could get 2 out of the 3 signatures but it sounds like they will have no luck unless the 3rd girl in CA signs on her own and get it notarized in CA and then mails the paperwork back and I can notarize the other 2 girl's signatures. Also, as a sidenote; whoever made this video needs a map because they said Georgia but they highlighted on the map South Carolina.

Maria Harris

08 May 2023

My mom who has pass named my niece the beneficiary on her bank account and is incarcerated. She agreed to write a letter giving me full access to my mom bank account. Can I get it notorized without her being present?

National Notary Association

12 May 2023

Hello. With extremely rare exceptions, the answer in almost all cases is no. If you can tell us what state your mother is located in, we may be able to provide you with more information on the state's Notary rules.

James Louth

20 Mar 2023

My lawyer for my personal injury lawsuit said he has a notary in his office and I don't need to be present that I can sign for my settlement and he'll notarize it. So after I signed electronically and he had it notarized in his office I found out he had charges I didn't agree with. What can I do? Is that illegal for him to do? Does it stand as final?

National Notary Association

20 Mar 2023

Hello. It is not appropriate to notarize a document without the document signer being present. If you believe that your attorney has charged you inappropriately, you may wish to contact your state bar association to see if you can file a complaint. You may also wish to contact your state Notary agency to ask to file a complaint if you believe the notarization was not conducted properly.

Devon Allen

07 Nov 2022

Thank you for responding to our questions from videos and general information. It is very helpful!

Linda Topping

07 Nov 2022

I live in Michigan a person I know wanted me to notarize a medical care document and a will. They live in New York. I was on Skype with them they showed their ID then proceeded to sign then immediately scanned documents to me and their daughter in michigan fir me to notarize theirs and daughters signatures, legal or not?

National Notary Association

10 Nov 2022

Hello. In Michigan, remote notarizations may only be performed by authorized Notaries who have purchased a technology system from an approved vendor and submitted the appropriate paperwork to the MI SOS office. Additional information can be found here: https://www.nationalnotary.org/knowledge-center/remote-online-notary/how-to-become-a-remote-online-notary/michigan

Nathan Adam Walczak

18 Sep 2022

I have an perspective employer who wants me to sign a notarized employment contract but can't be present, with me due to being out of state. Can they get the contract notarized where they are, send it to me, and then I sign and get it notarized where I am when I receive it? If so, do they have to mail the original copy or can they email me a PDF?

National Notary Association

26 Sep 2022

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Sherri

20 Jun 2022

My brother drafted a living trust, medical power of attorney etc and ambushed my dad into signing docs he didn’t know he was signing. Then docs were taken to another city to be witnessed and notarized. Are documents invalid on this stipulation alone. My dad doesn’t know the witnesses or the notary. My brother does. (Texas)

National Notary Association

22 Jun 2022

Hello. We're sorry, but any questions about legal grounds to invalidate a document would need to be answered by a qualified attorney.

John Williams

12 Aug 2021

I have a friend that is trying to get her PCT license renewed in Texas she filled in her section and her boss filled in the employer section. Boss was going to send to a friend to notarize . Without witnessing the signature. is this even legal??

National Notary Association

13 Aug 2021

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Ziomara Guerrero

23 Jul 2021

I am in Texas, the person that needs to notarize a document lives in Mexico. If I have him sign the document and take it to the notory in Texas with a proof of execution. Do I have too also sign the document he signed in Mexico?

National Notary Association

26 Jul 2021

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Mike Unher

09 Jun 2021

I am wondering how to have a document notarized in the US regarding my relative's estate, while I am in Japan. There are no such notaries here that I can visit. (The nearest is at the US Embassy in Tokyo, which is 500 miles away...). Thank you so much for your advice!

National Notary Association

10 Jun 2021

Hello. You may wish to contact a remote online notarization technology provider to see if they can connect you with a Notary who can remotely notarize your documents. A partial list of RON technology providers is available in this article: https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-bulletin/blog/2018/06/remote-notarization-what-you-need-to-know. Please note that this is only a partial list of RON technology providers and the NNA does not endorse any specific company.

Randy Smith

22 May 2021

not a comment but a question I live in Michigan and would like to know is it legal for an insurance company to sign a name to a noterized contract and I have an affidavit from the notory public that states she did not noterize his signature. thank u

National Notary Association

26 May 2021

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Beverly Foster

04 Feb 2021

I have been my nephew's Power Of Attorney, since 2016. He has a god-mother who keeps trying to change it to herself. She has a daughter that pulls a POA form from a computer, which they use. They have a friend who is a notary public, that will notarize this form without it being made be an attorney, no witnesses, and the person it's for is not present to sign. The god-mother's daughter will sign it when he refuses. He is capable of signing it himself, but has expressed that he doesn't want to change my being POA. We showed this paper from the computer to our attorney, and she said that it is not a legal document. Can this notary public be turned in for fraud, and how would I go about it?? I live in the state of Kansas, but the notary public lives in the state of Missouri!!

National Notary Association

05 Feb 2021

Hello. You can contact the MO SOS' Notaries & Commissions Unit at 1-866-223-6535 or commissions@sos.mo.gov.

michael bucek

11 Jun 2020

For a friend. Paying off co-signed loan (she made all payments). Can't find co-signer to notarize final paperwork.

Dana H

05 Apr 2020

A patient wants to have a Power Of Attorney notarized but all our notaries are working remotely during the pandemic. Can the notary "witness" the signing of the document via Zoom or Skype then have the original sent to their home for signing and stamping?

National Notary Association

06 Apr 2020

Hello. Different states have different laws and guidelines regarding RON. Notaries must always comply with state law regarding RON requirements. If you can tell us what state you are commissioned in, we can provide you with more specific information, but you can also find information on various state guidelines here: https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-bulletin/blog/2020/03/states-emergency-action-remote-notarization and here: https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-bulletin/blog/2020/03/answers-urgent-questions-notaries-ron

michelle.riesenberg@wdm.iowa.gov

19 Nov 2019

As a follow-up to my first question, I did come across 9B.9 of Chapter 1050, Notarial Acts, Iowa State Code, where it states that if an individual is physically unable to sign a document, the individual may direct an individual other than the notarial officer to sign the individual's name on the record. The notarial officer then inserts the wording, "Signature affixed by (name of other individual) at the direction of (name of individual) or words of similar import." Would this then also pertain to if signer cannot be present? I find no other wording that specifically refers to if a signer cannot be physically present. Thank you!

National Notary Association

19 Nov 2019

Hello. This section of the law is referring to what is known as "signature by proxy" where the principal directs another individual to sign on their behalf when the principal is unable to sign. Signature by proxy cannot be used if the principal is absent. For additional information, please see here: https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-bulletin/blog/2018/06/notarizing-signature-by-proxy

Michelle R

19 Nov 2019

I have been a notary in the state of Iowa since 2001 and I could not find anywhere in our State Code, under "Notarial Acts" where it speaks to "proof of execution by subscribing witness". Could you please clarify if this is allowed by Iowa law? If not, and I should come across this in a situation, what is the best way to proceed? Thank you!

National Notary Association

19 Nov 2019

Hello. "Proof of the due and voluntary execution and delivery of a deed or other instrument may be made before any officer authorized to take acknowledgments, by one competent person other than the vendee or other person to whom the instrument is executed, in the following cases: 1. If the grantor dies before making the acknowledgment. 2. If the grantor’s attendance cannot be procured. 3. If, having appeared, the grantor refuses to acknowledge the execution of the instrument” (IC 558.31). An officer having power to take the proof hereinbefore contemplated may issue the necessary subpoenas, and compel the attendance of witnesses residing within the county, in the manner provided for the taking of depositions” (IC 558.33).

Monica

18 Nov 2019

Thanks for the information very helpful.

Kenya Gainey

05 Oct 2019

Does SC allow for Proof of Execution?

National Notary Association

08 Oct 2019

Hello. Yes: “‘Verification’ or ‘proof’ means a notarial act in which a notary certifies that: (a) an individual appeared in person before the notary; (b) the individual was personally known to the notary or identified by the notary through satisfactory evidence; (c) the individual was not a party to or beneficiary of the transaction; and (d) the individual took an oath or gave an affirmation and testified that he is a subscribing witness and as such (i) witnessed the principal who signed the record, or (ii) received the acknowledgment of the principal’s signature from the principal who signed the record” (SCC 26-1-5[21]).

Marguerite Joyce

07 Jul 2019

I got a legal living will I know how to fill legal forms out I just need a Notary to witness my signature and stamp or sign it. I've fill out other legal forms I had to get and done with no problem. how hard would it be for one to witness my signature like it says on the form and stamp it or what ever they've always stamped with they're name and date they're time is out of date

National Notary Association

22 Jul 2019

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

laura stubbs

03 Jul 2019

My brother needs to sign POA over to me, and two other, and have it recorded. Recording requires notarizing. He is in prison, in Colorado and they will not permit him a notary. SO he got 3 witnesses to sign as proof of execution, and fingerprint, in lieu of notarizing.He was told this would suffice. The recorders office would not accept this, so I took it to a notary and she did not understand proof of execution. I live in UT. What can we do?

National Notary Association

03 Jul 2019

Hello. We're sorry, but that is a legal question that would need to be answered by an attorney.

Cristin Gaffney

26 Jun 2019

I'm a notary in Texas, and we sometimes are asked to notarize a document without the signer present. I understand we can do this if we perform a "proof", where the signer is either "known or verified by a credible witness". How do you define "credible witness"?

National Notary Association

27 Jun 2019

Hello. A credible witness is a person who vouches for a signer's identity when the signer lacks other identification documents. Essentially, a credible witness is a "human ID card." A signer who is identified by a credible witness still needs to physically appear before the Notary, however.

LeAnne

04 Jun 2019

Does Georgia allow Proof of Execution? I am a notary for a Hospice but i mainly work in the office. Many of our patients can't travel and I wanted to know if this is allowed as a notary.

National Notary Association

06 Jun 2019

Hello. No, Georgia does not provide guidelines it its laws for notarizing a proof of execution by subscribing witness.

Bella

08 Apr 2019

Can a notary sign quit claim deed if doc has been signed before going to notary? Have drivers license, docs signed by me to show it’s my sig

National Notary Association

08 Apr 2019

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Alicia K

06 Feb 2019

My mom is in hospice care at home and unable to leave her bed. We have located a traveling notary that can come to the home but we don’t have any witnesses and the forms state we need 2. It’s just me and my sister, we don’t communicate with anyone from her side of the family and my dad and his family is in another state. I live with my mom to help her around the house but my sister does have her own place. What other options do we have for obtaining a witness signature? I work from home as well but my sister works in PA (lives in DE)and get witness signatures from coworkers after the fact but we don’t have much time to get things in order before she passes and the people we would feel comfortable with witnessing this important documents are in different states. Is video calling/Skype or FaceTime something that can be used for a witness and have them sign a proof after the fact? If I didn’t mention we live in DE and looking for any advice or direction to websites or hotlines that can help us based on the laws in my state. I’m sure we can’t be the only ones that have needed something notorized but didn’t have any witnesses. Thank you for helping

National Notary Association

07 Feb 2019

Hello. We're sorry, but any questions about witness requirements for a document are legal questions that can only be answered by a qualified attorney.

Angie Patrick

13 Dec 2018

If someone takes my car title to a notary and gets it notarized without my permission and I was not present but I did sign the title , how can I prove that I was not present if the notary says she is sure I was but she sees so many faces she can't remember for sure

National Notary Association

13 Dec 2018

Hello. If you suspect that some kind of fraud was committed on your car title, you should report it to law enforcement. Any legal questions would need to be answered by a qualified attorney.

Desirae

29 Nov 2018

I wanted some clarity on this part of California Notary Law, "or in the presence of the principal heard the principal acknowledge that the principal signed the document," When it's said "in the presence of," does this mean physically or is digitally sufficient as well, for example - if via a Skype call, could the subscribing witness talk to (and hear) the principal acknowledge signing the document? I looked up both Codes and it seems to me that a video chat would be sufficient, but I'd like to be sure. Below is the full section from the CA Notary Public Handbook, for reference: The subscribing witness must say, under oath, that the subscribing witness saw the principal sign the document or in the presence of the principal heard the principal acknowledge that the principal signed the document (Code of Civil Procedure 1935 and Civil Code section 1197); and"

National Notary Association

30 Nov 2018

We’re not attorneys here at the NNA and we can’t give legal advice. We can make a couple of observations that may help you think through this issue. First, as you have discovered there is no definition under California law as to what constitutes an “appearance” of an individual who acknowledges their signature to a subscribing witness. The most obvious reason to explain this is that until relatively recently the only appearance that was possible was a “physical” one and this is what the legislature had in mind when they enacted the statute. Second, we suggest it may be helpful to look at the broader question of whether under California law a document signer may appear before a Notary using Skype or another audio-visual technology to have their signature notarized and apply this logic to your question. We make the observation that not just California but the other states would likely say that under existing law the appearance of a signer before a Notary must be “physical” and that in order to allow audio-visual notarizations, a change to the statute expressly authorizing it is needed. We do not know of any state that has said that a Notary may conduct a notarial act using audio-video technology based on their current law today without a change to the law. Applying this logic to your question, if the states say a signer cannot appear before a Notary using Skype without a change to existing law, then it is likely they would say without a specific law change neither may an individual appear before a subscribing witness using Skype. We hope these observations have been helpful to you.

Joanne Frison

15 Nov 2018

Hello. Need power of attorney form notarized but my nephew (principal) is unable to sign due to his critical medical condition.

National Notary Association

16 Nov 2018

Hello. Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Harasiddhiprasad Gajanan Bhatt

05 Nov 2018

Can we notarize a document in Ohio without the signer being present?

National Notary Association

07 Nov 2018

Based on what you’ve described, we think it would be best if you contacted our Hotline team by phone and provided them with a more detailed description of the situation. The NNA Hotline: 1-888-876-0827 Mon – Fri: 5:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. (PT) Saturday: 5:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. (PT) If you’re not an NNA Member or Hotline Subscriber, they will provide you with a one-time courtesy call.

Mark M

23 Aug 2018

Hello. I work for a relatively small mortgage servicing company. One of our investor clients in Illinois has an independent agent go to borrower's homes to have them sign Deed In Lieu documents, and he never brings a Notary Public with him. He then forwards the Deed In Lieu documents to an Illinois law firm and they notarize them weeks or months later without the borrower being present. There have even been instances of a signature being missing, and assume the agent forges it later (another topic, but this shows a pattern). Our office has a Notary and she has warned the investor that these activities are not permissible, but they continue to ignore our advice. The borrowers obviously consented to the Deeds In Lieu, so they have never faced an issue where the Notary signatures have been questioned. What are the penalties for these acts? Are we, as servicer, obligated to report these acts? I'm sure that blowing the whistle on our client would not please the owner of our company, but I'm just curious. Thank you.

National Notary Association

24 Aug 2018

Hello. Notarization fraud involving real estate documents can have serious legal and financial consequences. If you have reason to believe a Notary is committing fraud involving real estate documents in Illinois and wish to report it, you can contact the Illinois Attorney General's Division of Professional Regulation at (217) 785-0800.

Kathyrn Mecham

17 Aug 2018

I have a document that needs my dads signature and needs it notarized but my dads unable to be there i have power of attorney for my dad can i have it notarized without him present i live in Oregon

National Notary Association

17 Aug 2018

Hello. You would need to speak to an attorney to determine if your power of attorney authorizes you to sign on your father's behalf for this document.

Mark Fallon

20 Jul 2018

My son-in-law is stationed in the middle east. He and his wife (my daughter) are in the process of house buying. What are options in the state of LA as far as substitute signers?

National Notary Association

25 Jul 2018

Hello Mark. We suggest contacting your lender first to discuss if there are options available for your son-in-law.

Peggie

19 Jun 2018

Sister's attorney friend notarized POA paperwork and my parents were not present. Mom revoked POA paperwork and now wants that attorney to loose his notary privileges. Is that possible??

National Notary Association

19 Jun 2018

Hello. You may be able to file a complaint with state officials or the state bar association if you have reason to believe an attorney-Notary has committed misconduct. What state are you located in, please?

Jason

02 May 2018

Is this how an automotive dealership in Indiana is allowed to have all their paperwork signed by customers notarized at a later time?

National Notary Association

03 May 2018

Hello. We're very sorry, but we don't have enough information from your message to provide help with the notarization you are describing. If you need assistance immediately, you may contact our Hotline Team at 1-888-876-0827 and speak to one of our Counselors for more detailed assistance.

Kristen

27 Mar 2018

Can you notarize a document that has already been signed and the signer cannot be present? I have a girl who is needing her title notarized. Her dad has already signed it over to her but says he isn't able to be there to certify he signed it

National Notary Association

27 Mar 2018

Hello. If you have been asked to notarize the father's signature, the father must appear in person before you and be positively identified in order to have his signature notarized.

Chukwuma Umezurike

04 Feb 2018

Does Arkansas permit proof of execution?

National Notary Association

05 Feb 2018

Hello. Yes, for deeds and certain other real estate instruments: “When a deed or instrument referred to in subsection (a) of this section is to be proved, it shall be done by one (1) or more of the subscribing witnesses personally appearing before the proper court or officer and stating on oath that he or she saw the grantor subscribe the deed or instrument of writing or that the grantor acknowledged in his or her presence that he or she had subscribed and executed the deed or instrument for the purposes and consideration therein mentioned, and that he or she had subscribed the deed or instrument as a witness at the request of the grantor” (ACA 18-12-206[b]; see also ACA 16-47-106[b]).

FELICIA HAM

26 Jan 2018

My husband is hospice in my home he want me to take ovwr as power attorney he to weak you actually got out get in car to go bank is there any other way we can do this pkease help us .

National Notary Association

30 Jan 2018

Hello. We're very sorry, but we can't provide legal advice on obtaining a power of attorney. You would need to speak with a qualified lawyer for assistance.

KELLY EARHART

07 Jan 2018

Can you please tell me if this law is applicable in Arkansas and, if so, the statute #. Thank you.

National Notary Association

08 Jan 2018

Hello. Guidelines for the use of proofs of execution by subscribing witnesses in Arkansas can be found in ACA 18-12-206[b]; see also ACA 16-47-106[b].

Singleton

22 Dec 2017

I want to know is the rule the same for NYC. Can a n agent signed as a witness when the person can't be there.

National Notary Association

26 Dec 2017

Hello. A subscribing witness may appear on behalf of a signer in New York under certain conditions: “When the execution of a conveyance is proved by a subscribing witness, such witness must state his own place of residence, and if his place of residence is in a city, the street and street number, if any thereof, and that he knew the person described in and who executed the conveyance. The proof must not be taken unless the officer is personally acquainted with such witness,or has satisfactory evidence that he is the same person, who was a subscribing witness to the conveyance” (RPL 304). The witness’ place of residence must be indicated on the Notary’s certificate (RPL 306).

Cheri Benson

09 Dec 2017

Hi I am a notary in MN. Pleas tell me the law for this state

National Notary Association

11 Dec 2017

Hello. You can find a link to the MN state Notary laws here: https://www.nationalnotary.org/file%20library/nna/reference-library/state-law-summaries/minnesota.pdf

Linda

20 Nov 2017

I have no idea where you are getting the incorrect information that Virginia allows proof of execution with two subscribing witnesses. Proof of execution does not appear anywhere in the VA Notary Handbook. In fact, it specifically states that the signer must personally appear before the notary. It goes on to say that, "A notary must never accept any signature as genuine on the word of a third party," and, "the most frequent charge of official misconduct involves a notary's failure to require the personal appearance of an individual before the notary when acknowledging that person's signature." Proof of execution is NOT allowed in Virginia.

National Notary Association

20 Nov 2017

Hello. Though taking proof of execution by subscribing witness is not mentioned as a notarial duty in COV 47.1-12 (“Powers and Duties”), it is mentioned as one of the “acts which the laws and regulations of this State authorize notaries public of this State to perform” in COV 55-118.1. COV 55-113(3) prescribes a proof of execution certificate for use by out-of-state commissioners appointed by the Virginia Governor and by notarial officers in other U.S. jurisdictions. That statute specifies the use of two subscribing witnesses.

Kristine

09 Nov 2017

I have a question. My husband is in the military and he will not be here when we sign the closing documents. I have a specific power of attorney that allows me to sign for him. I have the original in hand . I’m selling a house in Hawaii.The escrow company wants me to give them the original before I move to Idaho and then just provide a notary with the copy of the specific POA. In all the deals I have done before I have always provided the originals to the escrow agent or the notary. I do not have time to sign before I move to Hawaii. Is giving the original POA (to record) to the escrow company instead of giving it the notary and just sign for me and my husband with a copy of it in another state going to be an issue?

National Notary Association

09 Nov 2017

Hi Kristine. Please contact our Hotline Team at 1-888-876-0827 or at hotline@nationalnotary.org for assistance with this question. Thanks!

Amanda

20 Oct 2017

In Ga does both parties have to be present in order to get things notarized?

National Notary Association

24 Oct 2017

Hello. Any person having their signature on a document notarized would need to personally appear before the Notary.

Vicente Anders Delgado

10 Oct 2017

Hi I'm just purchasing a house in arizona but, but need a signature from my wife notarized. How can I get it her being in Mexico, is it possible

National Notary Association

12 Oct 2017

Hello. You should discuss with your real estate agent what options are available. It may be necessary to send the documents to your wife to be signed, and then notarized either by a Notary in Mexico, if the agency receiving the documents will accept this. Another possible option would be to have your wife sign the documents and request a notarization from an officer at a U.S. consulate or embassy.

John Tippins

19 Jun 2017

Had our mortgage holder get a spoof done in ga.,but i did not sign the paper that got notarized.My wife told me later that she signed my name.The thing is that my wife is disabled.Is there any recourse that i can take?

National Notary Association

19 Jun 2017

Hello, we're sorry but we can't answer legal questions. You would need to speak with an attorney.

Debbie Norman

18 May 2017

I live in Pennsylvania I have insurance policy but the person cannot sign it they have a document already but the insurance company said the signature is not the same so they want the signature to be notarized is there a way to get around this without the person being there?

National Notary Association

19 May 2017

Hello. We're sorry, but we are not clear from your message what it is you are asking. You may wish to call our Notary Hotline at 1-888-876-6827 to speak with one of our Hotline Counselors and provide more details by phone to see if they can answer your questions.

erinv vanryn

04 May 2017

In Pennsylvania when recording documents related to land records (Recorder of Deeds Office), does the acknowledgement page have to have the signature of the person(s) that the document is stating or can the notary state they acknowledge the person to be the correct person(s) related to this document to be recorded in the office of the Recorder of Deeds without the owner(s) signature?

National Notary Association

04 May 2017

Hello. In this situation, you may wish to contact the recording office that will be receiving the documents to ask for instructions.

Paige

25 Apr 2017

What are the laws on this for Washington State?

National Notary Association

26 Apr 2017

Hello. Information on Washington's Notary laws is available here: https://www.nationalnotary.org/file%20library/nna/reference-library/state-law-summaries/washington.pdf

Thomas

23 Apr 2017

My partner needs to grant me power of attorney but due to medical issues is unable to sign her name. Is there a way to get this done.

National Notary Association

24 Apr 2017

Hello. We're sorry, but that's a legal question that would have to be answered by a qualified attorney.

Jeanne Yomine

10 Apr 2017

I am a notary in the State of Illinois. My response is simple. The person needing my seal must convey his or her wishes by oath. With a language barrier, the only solution is to open an online translation site so the signor and I could type Q&A. Absent signor? Sorry, no can do.

Mr hector cruz

14 Dec 2016

I would like to become a notary

National Notary Association

14 Dec 2016

Hello Hector! Our Customer Care team can help you with the process when you are ready to get started. You can reach them at 1-800-876-6827 or Services@NationalNotary.org. You can also find information at www.NationalNotary.org/become-a-notary.

Marty c

07 Dec 2016

Victim of fraudulant quite claim in nj as violates settlement agreement during divorce from bed & board in nj I agreed to convey marital home interest & title as stated in MSA on the day we obtained a final judgement of divorce from B&B. Deed to be drawn up by my attorney and conveyed that day. Just got final in 9/2016. Deed was conveyed without knowledge & dated 7/2014 day MSA drawn up and frayed by her attorney. Has wrong address for me, no consideration noted in $ amount, never got check,never copied of such deed,was away on trip,don't know witness and never was at her attorney on a Saturday, sold home , joint title & loan she paid off but never removed my name as supposed to, notary commission expired and unable to locate,her notary stamp has no #, and didn't sign it . Had found forged check previous she signed my name to. Treasury tells me they can't do ? It was accepted. ? Think that balony . Next need to call her attorney for certified copy or original docs. . Lawyers have done zero to move on this and her lawyer paid loan collecting over $6 k escrow of FHAl loan he closed without me. Wells Fargo reported to cfpb.

Ana Bertha Uribe

06 Dec 2016

Does Arizona State permit proofs of execution?

National Notary Association

09 Dec 2016

Hello. The Arizona Governor's Reference Manual for Notaries does not list proofs of execution among the notarial acts AZ Notaries may perform.

Kurt Gross

05 Dec 2016

I would like to see NNA send me notary info about ONLY my state. I don't care about other states when I'm trying improve my knowledge as a Notary Public and Signing Agent. Yes, I do have an interest in what other states require, but that's a curiosity issue. It's not the same issue as sharpening my NP skills. If someone starts a service that does this, I'll jump to them and leave NNA. Kurt Gross

National Notary Association

05 Dec 2016

Hi Kurt. As a member benefit, you can access your state's information in the U.S. Notary Public Reference manual by logging into your profile at https://www.nationalnotary.org/knowledge-center/reference-library/us-notary-reference-manual and selecting your state from the drop-down menu. State-specific law summaries are also available on our site at https://www.nationalnotary.org/knowledge-center/reference-library/state-law-summaries. Again, you can select your state's information from the drop-down menu.

Michael Isernia

05 Dec 2016

See also NY Real Property sec 304 which allows Proof by Subscribing Witness on Deeds

Meg Gruwell

05 Dec 2016

I had someone related to someone at work (and who I had met before) request a notarization. I confirmed by Skype that she indeed had signed the document that needed notarization, and the person I worked for provided a copy of her identification. Is there any precedence for using Skype or other electronic method to talk with a person who is not physically present, but needs something notarized? Thanks.

National Notary Association

05 Dec 2016

Hello Meg. Currently only Virginia and Montana (under limited conditions) permit use of audio and visual technology to perform notarizations. In other states, this is not permitted. If you are not a Notary in VA or MT, you should not be using Skype to perform notarial acts.

Dan

05 Dec 2016

This is great stuff. We have several people here in Pennsylvania that need documents notarized but can't make it to the office. Knowing what the legal recourse is makes my job easier. Thanks for the updates!

Michael A. Aloe

05 Dec 2016

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National Notary Association

05 Dec 2016

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